Hi, just around to catching up on reading some of the chaos stars words, and responding tonight to a few perhaps, when there are obvious correspondences with events/news being held in common here in Australia at present:
My comments here are about Julienne's post about recent work by social researchers in the USA about the tactics used by sexual predators. Then I have put some commentary about the Eldorado Ranch situation at the bottom also, and then a copy of the post Julienne made about that.
There is a Catholic ministry in Sydney Australia, which has been working with homeless youth in the City for a long time now, and the leading name involved is a Priest who has often spoken up on late night television. Recently his work is being better funded that ever before. But what I wanted to mention is that his work often involves contact with children in the age range over twelve, who have run away from abuse in their own homes, but whom are totally disabled from normal social interactions. He has openly discussed the issue of what we can all, as a whole society, do with such children. There was one child he made an overt example of, who had no habitual behaviours with anybody younger or weaker than himself, that were not in the pattern of "coaching", or "grooming" the younger/weaker children into letting themselves be raped by him. At the time, that child was only fourteen, but the youth service were saying that they simply could not place him, because of the risk he posed to other children. He was not wanted in foster families he had been placed with either for the same reasons, and the Priest who runs that youth service, was making the example, because everybody knew that they boy would be in juvenile detention soon enough because of his habits, and that the juvenile detention would lead to more criminal behaviour, which would lead to adult prisons, which would lead to being exposed to brutal bashings and rapes . . .
What is the solution? When the nation state to makes such individuals the responsibility of everybody by sticking them in prison for their whole lives, the prisons become too dangerous to use for other men and women, without their lives also being made too vulnerable.
The work being described in the post from Juliene is extremely important, and I like the language being used. Knowing phrases like "desensitisation from deceptive trust development" that involves "luring communication" in a pattern of "the communication of deviance", certainly enables these matters to be discussed, but there is always that point of no return, in which discussing the issues winds up recognising that the perpetrators were always themselves first victims, and at the same time, that society can stand no compassion for their reality of having felt to be the victim, whenever they are perpetrating. Where is the line in the sand between opening the topic for real dialogue about social needs that we can fulfill, and leaving wounds gaping wide open to being vulnerable for further abuse.
Here in Australia it is very gradually becoming recognised by more and more Aboriginal Australians, that many of our Aboriginal/Indigenous men, who were wrongly imprisoned in youth, became exposed in prisons to people like that person who was once a fourteen year old who no service could afford to assist, and are living their lives out in the sorrow of placing themselves in the role of victims so as that nobody else in our society need suffer.
The whole situation is of such deeply ingrained sorrow and even compassion for the perpetrators, because the good men in the prisons, are realising the nature of the mental illnesses which are caused by being abused in certain ways, by placing themselves as a human barrier between those illnesses and our women and children. Often they are too terrified to re-enter the community outside of prison, even when always innocent of the crime that sent them to prison, because they do not want for any child to look at them and want to see a father figure in their eyes. These men, a few of whom I am personally close with, who have made themselves into human barriers, are actively preventing society from forgiving their own associations with the worst perpetrators inside the prisons; and they are doing that to themselves within real belief in the forgiveness of God through Jesus. More are becoming Muslims also recently. They are themselves drawing the perpetrators attention onto their own body and life, because there is no other solution here in Australia where we have no capital or corporal punishment system available through the courts, (only prison and community work orders).
The attitude of "please do not try to forgive me of my own contact with the worst of human consequences", seems to be effectively able to protect children at least. It is an understatement to say that the men inside the prisons who take that attitude of not wanting to let their own children, or nieces and nephews etc, or mothers, forgive them, are most often those who are fully certain of their own forgiveness in Christ.
I cannot under any circumstances report this much details of the situation which Aboriginal Australians are facing, (and protecting the whole mainstream Australian society from, only by work to protect our own immediate families, because our own families have been forced to become the most vulnerable now for many generations), without also reporting that the men who take the actions I have described, have chosen to by will alone, but not until they found themselves with no other choice apart from becoming puppets of organised crime in the prisons who are also running brothels etc, which use youth who were raped at a younger age. Those men found that they had the choice of being permanently victims, or being used to cover up the crimes of real perpetrators against younger more vulnerable victims, and chose to let their own bodies be the victim. They chose to sacrifice their own innocence to feed the perpetrators in the jails. Often, the men who perform that function, are set up by the more violent perpetrators, into roles in which they seem to be the face themselves of who is committing the worst crimes inside the prisons. So when new inmates enter the prison, it is the good guys who they are forced by the security guards (screws) to be most afraid of. (the screws are notorious for all being involved in raping and bashing prison inmates, and I know a man who was a literacy teacher in the prisons, who was himself bashed and raped by screws, and he is a man with a brother who is a screw, so ought have been safer than many would have been) Meanwhile behind the scenes is a whole other story, in which the real child molestors are being protected, and enabled in their framing up of relatively innocent men, (in prison for being drunk and arguing on the street for example), as though the innocent men are the actual perpetrators of the worst crimes. There is a pattern of those innocent men who realise that why the perpetrators are being protected, is to direct their crimes against adult men rather than against those not already inside a prison, and then sacrificing themselves with being branded in the reputations of the perpetrators. Significantly there are also patterns by which Aboriginal men are enabling our traditional cultural knowledge of exorcisms to be the vehicle by which the whole situation is being managed.
The exorcisms are often difficult to source, but for who knows about how exorcisms work, the solution is to use exoskeletal marine life, such as crabs. So from the outside looking in, the most assistance we can ourselves provide, is by engaging in behaviour such as making short films showing imagery of crabs and other shell fish, and making it available through prison internet forums, etc.
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 7:48 PM, Julienne
Researchers reveal communication tactics used by sexual predators to entrap children
A child's innocence and vulnerability presents a target for a sexual predator's abusive behavior. University of Missouri researchers are beginning to understand the communication process by which predators lure victims into a web of entrapment. This information could better equip parents and community members to prevent, or at least interrupt, the escalation of child sexual abuse.
"Our children are our greatest gift and our greatest responsibility. The fact that they could be abused in any way, shape or form is horrific--both in the moment of the abuse and in the long-term effect," said Loreen Olson, MU associate professor of communication in the College of Arts and Science. "It's a social problem with grave consequences that is prevalent and needs attention. It's incomprehensible, but it's happening. The sexual abuse of children has dramatic negative consequences to their emotional well-being throughout their lives."
According to the researchers, in order for the process of entrapment to take place, the perpetrator must first gain access to the potential victim through various exploitive means. Olson and her team identified several communicative elements in the cycle of entrapment, including the core phenomenon of "deceptive trust development." Deceptive trust development describes the predator's ability to build a trusting relationship with the victim in order to improve the likelihood of sexual encounter.
Deceptive trust development is central to other manipulative strategies used by the predator such as grooming. Grooming sets the stage for abuse by desensitizing the victim to sexual contact. Grooming may include activities such as sitting on a child's bed and watching them get into their bedclothes; "accidentally" touching the child inappropriately; showing the child pornographic images; and making contact or sex play with implicit sexual suggestions.
As perpetrators are grooming their victims and building d eceptive trust, they also work to isolate them both physically and emotionally from their support network. Isolation strategies may include offers to baby sit, giving the child a ride home, and taking advantage of fragile family and friend relationships. Isolation causes the victim to become more and more dependent on the perpetrator.
A third strategy is approach, which is the initial physical contact or verbal lead-ins that occur just prior to the sexual act. Examples of approach strategies include suggestions to play sex games, more explicit discussions about sexual issues, giving a child a "rubdown," bathing or undressing a child, and instigating wrestling and other physical games as a means to escalate sexual physical contact.
Olson, and her co-authors analyzed existing published material on pedophilia and child sexual abuse and proposed their theory that explains the communication process used by child sexual predators. Their theory of luring communication is part of a new area of study which Olson calls "the communication of deviance."
"The more we know about how these adults are entrapping children and building a sexual relationship with them, the better we can either intervene and stop the cycle from happening, or de-escalate it," Olson said.
According to the study, the theory of luring communication also may offer important insight into social, deviant and communicative problems plaguing society, such as how con-artists lure victims and the recruitment strategies of gang or cult members.
Source: University of Missouri-Columbia
http://www.physorg.com/news127669070.html
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The paragraph below is really hard to wrap your head around, because the reasoning required to defeat the sort of delusions which are carried by actual child abusers, are too deeply ingrained in the fabric of society, among those who are not ever likely to enact any active child abuse, but who are neither actively preventing it. Try reading it but you might need to read over it a few times.
I think that the situation with that Eldorado Ranch place, needs to be very seriously and carefully considered, because there is more often a social element of bias against many of the real religous practises of the Church of Later Day Saints, because of the book of Mormon having been partially based upon Qur'an. There is a strong anti-Islamic sentiment among many Christians in the USA and here in Australia, in which often Mohammed is wrongly blamed for having taken into his family a young girl whose life had already become betrothed to him in marriage. The reality of Mohammed, is that he agreed to marry the girl when she became old enough, and made that agreement when she became born, as a favour to the girl's father, and within the fact that Mohammed was already by then the most important individual in his community. When the girl (Aisha) turned seven her father was already unable to support his household, and so Aisha went to live at Mohammed's house. Certainly there is no record of any misconduct towards her, or any touching of her that is not normal healthy contact for children (like picking a small child up to see something needing to be taller to see), on Mohammed's part. Also Mohammed's instructions about polygamy are very strict and conditioned by needing to be able to be a perfect husband to every wife, and also for every wife to be willing for every other wife to be a co-wife. The first step in assessing the situation with that Eldorado Ranch, really needs to enable that all social bias against Mormons, because of their associations with Islam, to be removed from the debate about what was really being perpetrated against children. Then the second step is to find out if any misconduct had been taking place by perpetrators who were assuming that the lies about Mohammed were real; then also, the third step has to be to find out if any misconduct had been taking place because of perpetrators imagining that they could get away with blaming their own misconduct upon those many many people who tend to blame Mohammed, or blame the book of Mormon for aligning itself secretly with Islam. That is the really difficult aspect of debating issues around child protection: that because there are precedent examples of people who were blamed for being perpetrators, when in fact they were not, two sets of ill mindedness arise out of the predicament; the first is that actual perpetrators imagine being able to excuse their actions by blaming other persons who they imagine might be, or might have once before been, perpetrators of the same thing; then second, is that groups of people who know the story of Mohammed's child wife Aisha, and know that Mohammed was innocent, tend to try to use that knowledge to entrap perpetrators of real child abuse into blaming Mohammed, but only so that they themselves can gather knowledge of real perpetrators who they want to be blaming. It is not always so obvious at first, but when you think about it, if we tell the story of Mohammed and Aisha to anybody who might be tempted to use it as an excuse to commit a crime against a child, then we were also involving ourselves in tempting that person into the crime. Yet so many already know that story of Mohammed and Aisha, and many Christian Evangelist Churches use the story as evidence against Islam. But then, it is no better of Muslims, to try to profit from blaming the Christian Churches who blame Islam. In fact it is even worse because all Muslims are taught not to blame, for this very reason, that it instigates an example of there seeming to be any capacity for anybody to be getting away with any crime by blaming the victim of the crime, or by blaming an innocent bystander, who then becomes also a victim.
There are certain crimes that most of us give false evidence of committing ourselves at times. For example, if we are female and wear certain clothing, then we look as though we are tempting male sexual advances, only by showing immodesty. We might already know that all the men in our own social network, are conditioned to expect that a woman is allowed to dress as she pleases, and so will try not to feel tempted if seeing a cleavage, for example; but we can not guarantee that every man who might observe every woman showing her cleavage, has been schooled and disciplined into not veiwing her exposed cleavage as an askance for his sexual advance. So does that make it wrong to show cleavage? Wrong to show cleavage without a sign above her saying "Not for touching"? Wrong to let any man be uncertain about why she is showing that cleavage, since many woman show cleavage as a way of attracting a sexual partner? Wrong to let her self be unclear as to why she is showing her cleavage, and then also blaming a man who is tempted to ask her out on a date because he liked the look of her cleavage? That last issue is the killer. It is the problem that is being faced always in every Muslim society. Is it wrong to let people know about Aisha being so young when she became Mohammed's financial responsibility? Is it wrong to let people know that and not clarify the story? Is it wrong to let people know that and not clarify the story and then count their lack of clarity against them? Is it wrong to let people know about Aisha's age, and not clarify the story, and then count their lack of clarity against them as a source of who to blame for needing to have more money for protecting our own children with? OF COURSE IT IS WRONG!!! Anybody who behaves differently is held to be the wrongdoer equally to the sins of actual perpetration of child abuse. Its a hard call that part of the story of Islam.
If Mormons want to align themselves with Islam, they have to face the full story of what is being projected onto them because of that, and they have to face the fact that there is no way to profit from having been assumed to be worse in their conduct towards children than might have been real.
Can you see the point I am getting at. I do not myself have any real evidence about the Eldorado Ranch community, but I am inclined to believe the story about woman being too young when marrying and giving birth. So there is a set of people who are at fault, or else the whole thing would never have been happening. If there proves to be no real abuse that was taking place, (or if all the women say that they were willing to be married and so no prosecutions can happen) then whoever alerted the media might have been trying to make it seem as though there was abuse happening, or as thought the abuse was worse than is realistically the case, in which they are at fault for causing it to seem as though there exists the excuse for other perpetrators, of somebody to blame. However, since it is more likely with the situation as I have witnessed it in our Australian media, that a few women are obviously of an age at which their children's existance proves that they were too young to have been willingly married, because they were too young to understand what adult consent is, there is probably, or possibly, are real case against the institution, and which needs very careful investigation and examination of all its evidence.
The issue however, is that if anybody tries to blame that particular Mormon like institution, or blame any other Mormon like institution because that one exists, if any other Mormons try to capitalise upon having been wrongfully blamed, then their capitalisation manifests being a part of the problem, that could even cause another instance of the same sort of behaviour in another similar group.
What I am saying, is that I am myself suspicious of the motivation of the whistle blower, partly because there is so much media coverage, and the whole community was large enough that other parts of the totality of those who align with the Church of Later Day Saints, must have already known about the Eldorado situation. Why make a notification now? But more offensive in fact, is it to have made a notification which is attracting so much media attention. Anybody at all who profits from such media attention, could only be proven to be a part of the problem. This is why our Aboriginal men are in a total silence about what is happening to all of us.
Recently I have been visiting the state of Australia where there are many remotely located communities, about which the federal government made special legislation which gives the police and army special powers to intervene, and impose medical examinations of every child, for the purpose of preventing sexual assaults of children. There is some good which can be made from the situation, for example the imposition of no-alcohol zones by the army, and no-pornography zones; but we are all bearing the brunt of a legislated intervention into everybody's lives, which is publically enabling us to all become branded as being potential child rapists.
I believe that some of the members of the Church of Later Day Saints are aware of our situation here in Australia, and their notification to the authorities of the Eldorado situation must be accepted by everybody as a sign of their solidarity with the situation as I am describing it here in Australia. Just know that the real solidarity only exists when there is not financial profiting from the situation. Here in Australia not everybody will agree that we ought not be asking for financial recompense for what is happening, (and has been happening with the wrongful removal of children from mothers already for many generations) and that debate has proven to be what prolongs the uncertainties which enable abuse of children.
After the federal government legislated to intervene in Aboriginal communities on behalf of our children, but in ways that are not the sort of help that mothers and others asking for help were needing and asking for, there was an election, and that government was removed, and is now replaced by a Labor government. The Labor government has made a statutory and unconditional apology to every Aborigine for the wrongful removal of the "stolen generations" who are defined now in law as those many many Aborigines made wards of the state by past Australian government policies. Our forebears were made lifelong wards of the state only because of our race and culture, and that caused that we were forced into being vulnerable to wrongful accusations of child abuse, which in turn enabled those actual predators who exist, to imagine they could get away with child abuse, and so their offences escalated. Therefore the statement of sorry is truly a remarkable act on the part of the Australian government. It sets a historic precedent in legislation.
We have another hurdle yet to overcome, and that is the legislation that is within the Australian constitution, which still today, names our race of land owning responsible human beings, as non-existant at the time of British invasion. The terrible nature of that legislation is that many other things have been added to it, without it being repealled, so today there has been a constitutional ammendment since 1967, enabling Aborigines to be citizens of Australia and have legislation made about us (even though we constitutionally do not exist); there is also recognition of prior ownership made in 1988, so we are aknowledged as having been pre-existing land owners, as being now citizens, but not as having been a human land occupation. Our government has promised us a referendum asking the total set of Australian citizens to repeal "Terra Nullius" in our constitution. Voting is compulsory in Australia and every citizen can be fined or imprisoned for not voting.
The individuals who made a public notification about the Eldorado Ranch situation are nothing if not brave.
Here is Julienne's original post about that:
Sect Children Will Stay in State Custody, Judge Rules
April 18, 2008
SAN ANGELO, Texas (CNN) -- Hundreds of children who were taken from a polygamist ranch by Texas child welfare authorities will remain in state custody, a judge ruled Friday night.
# NEW: Judge finds sufficient evidence for Child Protective Services to keep custody
# NEW: Judge orders court DNA testing for all 416 children taken from ranch
# Rulings come after two days of testimony at custody hearing
# Texas Rangers pursue Colorado woman regarding phone calls to a crisis center
Women arrive Friday at the courthouse wearing their traditional high-collared, pioneer-style dresses.
(there was a picture here that I edited out)
Judge Barbara Walther also ordered court DNA testing for all 416 children who lived at the YFZ (Yearning For Zion) Ranch in Eldorado to determine their biological parents.
The compound is run by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints -- a Mormon offshoot that practices polygamy.
Walther made her ruling after two days of testimony at a hearing to determine whether the children were properly removed by child welfare authorities.
Walther said she found sufficient evidence for Texas Child Protective Services to keep custody of the children.
Officials are now looking for "the very best temporary placements for these children," said Marleigh Meisner, CPS spokeswoman.
"This is not about religion -- this is about keeping children safe from abuse," she added.
An attorney representing some of the children said he planned to appeal the ruling.
"We're a little disappointed in what the process turned out to be," said Cody Towns.
The ranch raid stemmed from a series of phone calls in late March from a 16-year-old officials referred to as Sarah, who said she had been beaten and forced to become the "spiritual" wife to an adult man.
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FLDS members have denied that the girl, supposedly named Sarah Jessop Barlow, exists. Authorities have been trying to locate her, but have been unable to identify the girl.
Texas Rangers said Friday they are pursuing a Colorado woman as a "person of interest" regarding the phone calls that touched off the raid. Authorities said a search of the home of Rozita Swinton, 33, resulted in evidence that may link her to phone calls made about the YFZ ranch.
Earlier in the day, a defense witness testified that it is uncommon for a polygamist sect to force girls as young as 13 into marriage, as the state alleged.
Religious scholar John Walsh also addressed a particularly damning piece of evidence: At least one bed found inside a temple that was allegedly used to consummate such marriages immediately after the ceremony.
"Historically, the only use of a bed in a temple is for temple worship itself," said Walsh, who said he has studied the FLDS practices for 18 years. "The worship lasts a couple of hours, so all the temples will have a place where someone can lie down."
But, he said, "To my knowledge, there has never been any sexual activity in a Mormon temple."
Walsh said he also studies the mainstream Mormon church, which renounced polygamy a century ago and has no ties to the FLDS. He said without the polygamy aspect, the FLDS would resemble the Baptist or Catholic religions.
Walsh was followed to the stand by FLDS member Marilyn Jeffs, who said she was not forced into marriage before age 18. It wasn't clear whether Jeffs is related to jailed FLDS leader Warren Steed Jeffs.
Another FLDS woman, Maureen Jessop, said she was a mother of two toddlers and an infant, but also was trained as an emergency medical technician -- despite her husband's wishes. Jessop said she is a stay-at-home mother by choice. "I have a wonderful life in Eldorado," she testified.
Also testifying Friday was child psychiatrist and state witness Bruce Perry, who said FLDS children are taught that disobeying orders leads to eternal damnation and have little opportunity to learn how to make independent choices.
Young children are not mature enough to enter into a sexual relationship or a marriage, he added.
Perry, who has worked with families in groups such as the Branch Davidian sect near Waco, Texas, said that if the children are allowed to remain in state custody, "There have to be exceptional elements in place for these children and their families. The traditional foster care would not be good for these children."
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The state had the burden of demonstrating to Walther why removing the children was necessary.
In court Thursday, Texas state officials presented records they said show 10 women were either married or pregnant as minors. The list was found during the raid, locked in a safe at a main ranch office building, the officials said. E-mail to a friend E-mail to a friend
CNN's Ismael Estrada and Katherine Wojtecki contributed to this report.
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/18/polygamy.custody/index.html
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